Curse

bisurge · Apr 04, 2008, 09:24 PM // 21:24

Okay, made some new warrior builds.
I'll start with sword one:

Swordsmanship: 11
Strength: 10
Tactics: 10

Bonetti's Defense
Deadly Riposte
Sever Artery
Gash
Healing Signet
Final Thrust
Hundred Blades {E}
Frenzy

For this build, I'm probably not going to even have a secondary class, pretty much for sword it's going to be a tank and less damage. I didn't have enough slots to get Resurrection Signet, unfortunately. Anyways, I'm probably not going to go with this build, but rather my axe build. The reason I went with Deadly Riposte is because I'm going to be mostly PvE, and since monsters are stupid they will attack me even if I have Deadly Riposte on.

This is my Axe Warrior, the one I'm probably going to go with. However, I've found 2 skill build and don't know which one I'm going to go with.

Axe Mastery: 11
Strength: 10
Tactics: 10

Bonetti's Defense
Cleave {E}
Cyclone Axe
Swift Chop
Penetrating Blow
Healing Signet
Frenzy
Resurrection Signet

-or-

Bonetti's Defense
Eviscerate {E}
Cyclone Axe
Executioner's Strike
Axe Twist
Swift Chop/Resurrection Signet
Healing Signet
Frenzy

Are these builds okay? (especially the Axe builds) Also, if both are okay, which Axe Build seems better?

I'm probably going to go with the first one, since I always think screw weakness in PvE, but I do think the second one is better for PvP, except it doesn't always have Resurrection Signet. Swift Chop and Cyclone Axe are to build up Adrenaline fast.

EDIT: I might go with the sword build now because I just saw what Deadly Riposte can really do, too bad it isn't with Adrenaline.

Dr Strangelove · Apr 04, 2008, 10:06 PM // 22:06

No, they're all bad for various reasons.

First, always max your weapon mastery and grab a headpiece + rune for it. It's by far your most important attribute.

Second, frenzy is terribad without a cancel stance. This means a short-recharging stance you can use to remove frenzy when something is beating you to a pulp. If you're not comfortable with this, bring a more forgiving IAS, like flail (except in PvP)

Third, bonetti's defense is useless. A block skill can be handy in places like RA or AB, but you generally want something that will be recharged to use when you need it, like shield bash. Bonetti's won't, so it's pointless. For most PvE, block stances are totally unnecessary.

Moving right along to the sword build... Ripostes are not your friend. They will only do damage to melee attackers, and only when they choose to attack you over the ripe squishies behind you. It's not going to happen. Hundred blades is also a very bad elite, although if you're prophecies only you don't have many other options. Quite frankly, I wouldn't run a sword in prophecies.

Onto the axe builds. Axes need a deep wound. Add dismember to the second build if you like. Civ4 just finished installing, so I'm going to let someone else finish this up.

**Marty Silverblade** · Apr 04, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by bisurge

it's going to be a tank and less damage.

Bad players tank. Good Warriors make use of the insane damage dealing capacity and rip though PvE. Don't tank.

Bonetti's is bad, you don't need the energy, you can't use skills with it, and you can't keep it up all the time (not that you would want to). Drop it for a cancel stance for frenzy, such as rush.

Ripostes are bad because it relies on enemies hitting you to deal damage, it's much easier if you just take an extra attack so you don't have to bother getting their attention, and there also isn't the risk of them changing targets form the blocking.

Hundred Blades is a useless elite skill, since you're Prophecies only, your choices are basically buy factions or get an axe.

Btw, I'm fairly sure you haven't done the extra attribute quests. You should be able to get 12/9/9 attributes before runes, 12+1+1/9+1/9+1 after runes. If you haven't done them, do them so you can bump up the sword/axe to 14.

Read the sticky if you like, theres some good stuff in there you might like.

Winterclaw · Apr 05, 2008, 04:22 AM // 04:22

You might want to go /e for a conjure skill or /mo for strength of honor (worse skill but lets you use non-elemental hilts). Drop bonittis, the ripost, and go without an elite if you are staying sword.

Marty, he's 11/10/10 so assuming he isn't wearing runes, he did his quests.

bisurge · Apr 05, 2008, 05:26 AM // 05:26

Okay how about this:

Executioner's Strike
Cyclone Axe
Eviscerate {E}
Axe Twist
Shield Bash
Frenzy
Rush
Healing Signet

Yichi · Apr 05, 2008, 06:31 AM // 06:31

Much better. Personally though, I would drop cyclone axe for bulls strike, axe twist for shock, and shield bash for a res sig. You will then have the standard shock/axe build that is run in most PvP areas, in case you were wanting to take character into any form of PvP.

Crom The Pale · Apr 05, 2008, 11:51 AM // 11:51

If your talking PvE, then shield bash it a total waste. I would drop Axe twist as well.

You should drop in For Great Justice, for when you can't hit enough foes at one time to fuel your adren with cyclone axe. If your fixed on useing Tactics then Soldiers Strike might fit your build.

Everything else looks fine.

deluxe · Apr 06, 2008, 05:28 AM // 05:28

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Bonetti's Defense

Stopped reading right there.

drey2k · Apr 06, 2008, 07:18 AM // 07:18

Bonetti's and Ripostes should only be used in farming imo, especially Bonetti's.

Frenzy will get you annihilated in most tough PvE areas, it's not bad for some PvP situations and a no no for PvE imo.

Gruff · Apr 06, 2008, 10:34 PM // 22:34

Frenzy works fine if used sensibly. Id drop shield bash or axe twist and add in disrupting chop and a res signet or similar. - Depending if you play with hench / pug / guild

Courage! · Apr 15, 2008, 07:00 AM // 07:00

i dont like thoes builds much if u ask me

rotaulave · Apr 18, 2008, 11:32 PM // 23:32

I never have healing sig no way,

I use these

axe 15
HP 12
smite 2
Strength 7 ( i have a 45 -2 while enchanted req=7 str shield
and 45ench -3hex req 7

If you dont then take from axe and HP 1 and get enough for your Str shield

1 Cyclone Axe
2 Dolyak Sig
3 Disrupting Chop (interupt)
4 Vig spirit
5 Live Vicarously
6 Healing Hands
7 Bonneti or Balth spirit for E regen
8 Dismember

I use a axe with +20% while enchanted so i get 36sec and 12sec from vig spirit and 12sec for HH

Cyclone gets you the HP from live Vic and Vig spirit while HH gives yout he other HP

Now that im rank 10 Del i subtitute Disruping crop and Live vicaroulsy for

Great Dwarfen Armor +24 amor +60 HP for 48sec and LoD (80aoe)
I mostly use Balth Spirit for E regen.

If im fighting Destroyers then ill substitute Dismember for Alkars Alchemcial Acid thats +120aoe and 20sec of Cracked armor. and also GDA give me another +24armor or +48 armor.

Anyway good luck let me know what you think

Arkantos · Apr 18, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

That's one of the worst warrior bars I've ever seen tbh.

Splitisoda · Apr 18, 2008, 11:40 PM // 23:40

He only has prophecies. All the too powerful skills came in factions and later, it doesn't take much thought to think of that.

Arkantos · Apr 18, 2008, 11:42 PM // 23:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splitisoda

He only has prophecies. All the too powerful skills came in factions and later, it doesn't take much thought to think of that.

So because he only has prophecies he should run a bunch of horrible skills?

I mean really. There's no reason to run over half of those skills.

Savio · Apr 18, 2008, 11:46 PM // 23:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Splitisoda

He only has prophecies. All the too powerful skills came in factions and later, it doesn't take much thought to think of that.

[Eviscerate]
[Earth Shaker]
[Final Thrust]

...?

ShadowsRequiem · Apr 18, 2008, 11:47 PM // 23:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by rotaulave

I never have healing sig no way,

I use these

axe 15
HP 12
smite 2
Strength 7 ( i have a 45 -2 while enchanted req=7 str shield
and 45ench -3hex req 7

If you dont then take from axe and HP 1 and get enough for your Str shield

1 Cyclone Axe
2 Dolyak Sig
3 Disrupting Chop (interupt)
4 Vig spirit
5 Live Vicarously
6 Healing Hands
7 Bonneti or Balth spirit for E regen
8 Dismember

I use a axe with +20% while enchanted so i get 36sec and 12sec from vig spirit and 12sec for HH

Cyclone gets you the HP from live Vic and Vig spirit while HH gives yout he other HP

Now that im rank 10 Del i subtitute Disruping crop and Live vicaroulsy for

Great Dwarfen Armor +24 amor +60 HP for 48sec and LoD (80aoe)
I mostly use Balth Spirit for E regen.

If im fighting Destroyers then ill substitute Dismember for Alkars Alchemcial Acid thats +120aoe and 20sec of Cracked armor. and also GDA give me another +24armor or +48 armor.

Anyway good luck let me know what you think

dunno why would you ever run that if you arent solo farming something?

also req 7 shields? out of the question. Only a handful of players would be able to meet those requirements.

Listen to Yichi and use the W/E Shock Axe build. Its been in use all these years for a reason.